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[SickBoy]

Hey folks! The recoding and conversion to WoW-V 3.0 is taking longer than I wanted, and the big features aren't even in it yet, so I'm here to ask you one simple question:

How do YOU want 3.0 released?

I wasn't going to leave this decision up to the general public initially, but after reading some developer journals on other projects, people caution time and again to stay away from the "feature creep". which is exactly where 3.0 is at now. I am trying to cram as much as possible into a single release, and I'm a little afraid that it will be an ever-elusive implementation.

So I'm leaving it up to all of YOU. Would you prefer a basic release with just a general conversion of all existing features, leaving bonus features for later patches, or do you want to wait the long wait while we get everything implemented?

I'll caution against the latter primarily because of my burnout rate. This is not my full-time job and (at times) this is not what I wish to be doing every extra waking moment I have. Staggered releases allow us to continuously build on the site, but also have time away without too much guilt or impact.

So let us know by answering the poll. YOU will be deciding this, so voice your opinion or be stuck with a choice you may not want.



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[Redfalcon]

I say a Sooner Release. I think this because that way people can stop asking about "When is 3.0 gonna be here?". But then again that might bring up the question "When will 3.0 be fully done?". In my mind I think having things come in little packages is better. That way you(SickBoy) can focus on one thing rather than the whole thing. That is just my opinion, BTW.

[Annihalator]

I personally choose for it to be released when it's "Done"

Besides, half those people (addressed by Redfalcon) need to learn the value of patience....

[Articus43]

I'm saying longer way. Also wanna bring up something Vamp said in DevBlog about people doing work to speed it up. I think that would be a fucking fantastic thing to do. Just have someone pick some people to help however they can with any projects that need attending to. Thats my opinion on this.

[Redfalcon]

I am just saying it might stop all the people who complain. And maybe there will be less bugs... I DONT KNOW!

[Articus43]

Re-phrase that. I have NO idea what you just said.

[SickBoy]

Vamp's blog post isn't about the site in general, but about a project he is working on that essentially REQUIRES a large group to work on. Other than that, there really isn't anything we can have anyone else do.

[Vampiric Dust]

Screen shots = WoW-V 3.0?

When I said other sections of WoW-V, I meant like in the creators you could see a screen shot of the model like you do now with the icons....

As it stands now, SickBoy is the only one familiar with the majority of code for this site. I've been able to go in and do minor tweaks and quick fixes when he wasn't around, but mostly, I can't even do enough to make it worth splitting most of the work. I've got my sections to do and I've been slow.

So. If anything, I think a staged or staggered release would be best. Give it a big old refacing & bug fixes. Then, have a planned update "patches". It gives you more satisfaction because you get more targeted feedback, the feeling things are actually getting done, and allows the only testing that finds all the bugs: live usage.

[kickassin]

well i say wait till everything is finished and lauch it at once. bc having to do patch updates which could have bugs or something every now and then could get really annoying if you think about it.

But can we know. what all will be released on 3.0?

[Vampiric Dust]

lol... either everything if he does it all first or pretty much what he has done and a bit more if he does stagged lol.

[kickassin]

you know with all the players asking about makign quests and creature and such things. are you all thinking of making that apart of it?

such as a quest maker and a creature maker?

i think that could help please some of the masses

[Vampiric Dust]

Probably not. If 3.0 is done in steps, then after I finish my sections, I'd be willing to throw them in. However, until then, I'd like to see what we have for 3.0 done so it can be made live as soon as possible. It's totally kick ass and I can't wait for it.

[Persian_Devil13]

what we dont know we wont miss, i reckon take your time and make it 'kick-ass and complete' then release it. staggered releases just dont have the same impact as an all in one go release.
its like getting a new guitar but each string is given at later date, id much prefer a complete guitar (who wants to get me one? - dw i already have a decent one, now i need to learn to play it )

*** guitar talk not intended as a sidetracking of the thread, dont discuss guitars or me, or learning to play guitars, or individual strings, just stay away from everything non-3.0 related ***

[WowemuGM]

One thing WoW-V really need.. mount maker

[Articus43]

No not really. We've actually discussed a good bit and custom mounts just wasn't the thing to do.

On vamps blog post I'm still interested in what I and everyone else can do to help. Thats why I choose to do it the long way. But if vamps thing was all that we could do to help I might have been wrong.

[SmashnCrash]

I actually thought about, maybe, getting 1 or so features finished then releasing 3.0 with those features. It's more like a taste of whats to come. Also, i dont care about when its released; only that its before WoTLK hits the shelves.

[WowemuGM]

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[teh haxor2]

Also... if you release 3.0 earlia then people can tell you how to imprve etc.

[BlackBoy0]

Get it all featured-up and release "complete". (much later release)

The Orange says it all

[SickBoy]

A more complete list of what WILL and WILL NOT be included in 3.0 will be released later. Until I get an accurate estimate on what people want (via this poll) I can't really say much.

The biggest guaranteed change either way is the completely revamped (and I do mean COMPLETELY) design and all the perks that come with that (better layouts, more informative stats, etc). FEATURE features are still up in the air at the moment.

At bare minimum we'd have to have at least a simple version of the reputation and rep tier system in place, as well as the new categories of APPROVED and PENDING items that are impacted by it. I'd also like to have the basics of the "Personal Items" feature done so that the rampant garbage items have a place to go.

Things that will most likely be held off from the initial release (if done that way) would be stuff like: awards, extra creators (sorry, no quest or creature creators right out of the gate), super advanced stats and leaderboards, etc.